Wednesday, July 6, 2011

A Reprobate Mind...

The biblical concept of God giving a person up to a "reprobate" mind is a topic that Brian and I have been researching for a while now.  I firstly searched for Bible verses that referenced the term online.  Then I read each passage in context individually, to try and ascertain what the term meant.  The first chapter of Romans was particularly helpful, though initially I was confused mainly because I am limited in my knowledge of the Bible as a whole.  I read the chapter out loud over and over again to Brian, to try and help us understand what was meant by the term "reprobate". 

Some time later we felt that we had come to an understanding of what the term "reprobate" meant, and what effect that would have on a persons opportunity for salvation.  We agreed to watch an online sermon of Pastor Anderson's, to either confirm or dispute what we thought we had learnt.  Additionally like I mentioned last time we jotted down the scripture references as we went so we could go back through them later on to discuss and re-read them and we were glad for it.  Just as we were seated ready to watch the following sermon, our oldest daughter Amy asked could she watch it with us (the others were sleeping); so she snuggled up with us, to learn about what the Bible teaches on this topic!

I can imagine that it is one area of the Bible that a lot of people would like to skim over or skip altogether.   It is not pleasant to think that salvation is impossible for some individuals.  I really do not want to get into a long drawn out discussion over this topic, as I understand that most people may disagree with our understanding, but I did want to share with you what we had been studying in the hope of encouraging someone else to study this also.  We did ask our own Pastor about this, he told us honestly that he knew nothing of it.  We are so glad for online sermons such as the one that can help us understand more about Gods word.

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
- Jeremiah 6:30

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those
things which are not convenient;
- Romans 1:26-28

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
- Titus 1:16

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
- 2 Timothy 3:8



Chelle said...

The topic isn't preached much. I looked the word up in the dictionary and it says... condemed by decree or judgement of God morally abandoned. We have known someone who was like that. They rejected God so much that they could never get saved. I know that sounds bad but they still aren't and its really sad.

Taryn said...

Great sermon-thank you for posting it. IICor. 13:5-7 KJ mentions reprobates 3 times. When he mentioned the word-jealous-it reminded me that I have said that I am a jealous mom. I don't want anyone else mothering my children.

Mina said...

Just another reason why Christianity is going to die. Sooner or later, humanity is going to realize that the Bible isn't the fluffy sack of BS most Christians think it is and when they actually open the book and read it for themselves, they'll reject it. They'll reject it just like any sane, moral person would.

Sarah said...

Chelle - That is sad that you personally knew someone who you felt was a "reprobate".

Taryn - Thank you Taryn and also for the 2 Corinthians reference!

Mina - Such a gracious response! Your comment was wise and witty in your own eyes only.

Mina said...

I'm not trying to be "wise and witty". I'm speaking the truth. What would you do if you read about a man who let two bears loose on dozens of children and did nothing to stop those bears from ripping every last one of them to shreds? If a king told one of his subjects to kill his son for no reason other than "because I said so", would you think he was an awful person? If a man happily offered his daughters up to an angry mob to be raped, wouldn't you be disgusted by anyone who dared call him a "godly man"? You like to divide the world up into "moral" and "immoral". So given that these acts are disgustingly immoral by any standards, what makes anyone who would perform or endorse such acts deserving of worship?

Sarah said...

Mina - Lots of the horrible acts commited by various people in the Bible were not endorsed by God at all! Very often these people were later punished by God for their acts or disobedience.

My article was about people whom have rejected God so much, and/or commited acts that are so against Him that he "gives them up to a reprobate mind". What that means is, He eventually gets fed up of them rejecting Him so he hardens their heart to the truth. Unfortunately judging by todays standards, this could include many individuals and many groups of people.

This article was not about addressing issues you have with God, or the Bible.

Cheesemakin' Mamma said...

Sorry, don't think I can handle another one of Pastor Anderson's sermons, so I'm just going to skip his sermon and comment on what you've written instead.

First, of all, I'm glad you are looking into these things on your own. When we study scripture, we will be blessed. God's Word will be alive and active in you!

I certainly don't believe in once-saved, always saved. The best verses I've found refuting that philosophy are found in Hebrews 10. However, God clearly teaches that he wants NONE to perish. In fact he states that Christians who have other Christians in their church who are willfully and blatantly sinning, should be turned out of the church and that we should pray that their bodies be given over to Satan in the HOPE that they will RETURN to serving Him. I do not for second believe God gives up on anyone, no how awful their sins appear. I believe He gives each one us chances to come to Him, we just have to being willing to choose Him. "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us". I've known people who you may term as "reprobates" live in extreme sin for a time, but they came back to God (like the prodigal son) and served Him with an astounding passion. I think the people who have been in the pit and have come out on the other side have a perspective and a gratefulness that people who may have never experienced that kind of sin could understand.

Focus on the Family has some wonderful testimonies in their "Love Won Out" conferences that lovingly show homosexuals that their is a way out of their sin. That there is hope. They have had great success and many of those people they reached are now happily married to people of the opposite sex and raising children in Christian homes. I'm so glad God never gave up on them. It is an awesome movement!

Anyway, I'm praying God will give each of us an awesome understanding of His Word as we continue to diligently study His whole scripture. I know we will be blessed! "Thank you for your precious, Word God. When other men/women mock it, thank you that we know your Truth. Give us Your mind, God! More of you, less of us. Help us to see things as You see them, Amen."

Hope you have a blessed day, my dear :)

Cheesemakin' Mamma said...

I forgot to leave the scripture reference about when it is appropriate to expel and immoral brother if he is willfully sinning in hopes that he will repent. It is 1 Corinthians 5:1-5.

My bible commentary says this, "To "hand this man over to Satan" means to exclude him from the fellowship of believers. Without the spiritual support of Christians, this man would be left alone with his sin and Satan, and perhaps this emptiness would drive him to repentance. "That the sinful nature many be destroyed" states the hope that the experience would bring him to God to destroy his sinful nature through repentance." Hope that helps explain where I'm coming from better. Blessings to you! Hugs, Jackie

Anonymous said...

Ma'am, I'm aware that you don't live in the United States, so you probably don't know this, but Pastor Anderson's church has been classified as a hate group and is on a watch list of possible domestic terrorists.

I don't think you realize how this comes off: this is like posting a video that Osama bin Laden made and saying that you totally agree with it.

You're free to have your own opinions, but please, form them without input from terrorists.

Sarah said...

Anon ~ Ha! Your comment really made me chuckle!

My posting this video is in no way like supporting Osama Bin ridiculous!

We happen to like Pastor Andersons sermons, and wish we had Pastors within Ireland, who would stand so boldly for Gods truth.

Anonymous said...

In that case, I severely misjudged you. I did not think you'd be the type to support terrorists. And the Faithful Word Baptist Church is basically an American version of the Taliban. There's much documentation on it if you Google it- the Southern Poverty Law Center is a good place to start (this is an American organization that tracks hate groups and domestic terrorist organizations).

But hey, no one's stopping you if you want to live under these kinds of laws. I hear Saudi Arabia is quite nice this time of year.